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Questions swirling around Scott Peterson, the husband of 2 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:11,800 missing Lacey Peterson. 3 00:00:13,820 --> 00:00:16,040 It's one of the most famous cases in 4 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:17,120 this country's history. 5 00:00:17,780 --> 00:00:20,100 The remains of Lacey Peterson and her baby 6 00:00:20,100 --> 00:00:22,340 washed ashore in San Francisco Bay. 7 00:00:22,820 --> 00:00:25,360 If you ask people about this case, they'll 8 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:27,060 just tell you that Scott did it. 9 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:31,240 But what if everything we knew about the 10 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:32,220 case was just wrong? 11 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:36,460 The Los Angeles Innocence Project has taken on 12 00:00:36,460 --> 00:00:38,320 the case, and they are arguing that Scott 13 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:39,880 Peterson is absolutely innocent. 14 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:43,140 Chris Pixley, what was your reaction to what 15 00:00:43,140 --> 00:00:43,920 was learned today? 16 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:46,140 I've always felt that there's more to this 17 00:00:46,140 --> 00:00:47,440 case than the public realized. 18 00:00:48,020 --> 00:00:50,360 But within the LAIP's new filing, there's an 19 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:53,120 abundance of new evidence that simply can't be 20 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:53,420 ignored. 21 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:56,340 The goal is to advocate, not for an 22 00:00:56,340 --> 00:00:58,480 outcome, but simply to stress test the evidence. 23 00:00:58,740 --> 00:01:00,060 There was not enough evidence to make that 24 00:01:00,060 --> 00:01:00,380 conclusion. 25 00:01:01,140 --> 00:01:04,300 We've already retraced Scott's footsteps on the day 26 00:01:04,300 --> 00:01:05,420 of Lacey's disappearance. 27 00:01:05,980 --> 00:01:08,460 It's a really risky endeavor to come down 28 00:01:08,460 --> 00:01:09,140 here with a body. 29 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:12,720 We examined critical evidence that was ignored and 30 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:14,360 mishandled by the Modesto PD. 31 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:18,060 To take a gun without consent is not 32 00:01:18,060 --> 00:01:18,880 legal practice. 33 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:22,760 We found major holes in the prosecution's use 34 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:26,240 of title science, thanks to new developments in 35 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:27,220 hydrodynamic models. 36 00:01:27,220 --> 00:01:29,920 The bodies couldn't have ended up where they 37 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:30,540 were found. 38 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:33,100 And we re-evaluated eyewitness accounts saying that 39 00:01:33,100 --> 00:01:35,820 Lacey walked her dog after the prosecution says 40 00:01:35,820 --> 00:01:37,540 that Scott Peterson had already killed her. 41 00:01:38,260 --> 00:01:40,260 The consistency is pretty remarkable. 42 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:43,660 So if Scott didn't kill Lacey, who did? 43 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:47,280 If you see a mattress in the back 44 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:49,380 of a van with blood, the inference is 45 00:01:49,380 --> 00:01:50,540 something bad happened. 46 00:01:50,980 --> 00:01:53,500 There is so much investigation that needed to 47 00:01:53,500 --> 00:01:53,840 be done. 48 00:01:54,700 --> 00:01:56,600 Dog scent evidence was a really big red 49 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:56,880 flag. 50 00:01:57,220 --> 00:02:02,160 DeVore was the walking, talking incarnation of junk 51 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:02,500 science. 52 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:13,420 The LAIP is putting forward evidence that the 53 00:02:13,420 --> 00:02:15,620 most likely theory of her abduction has to 54 00:02:15,620 --> 00:02:18,480 do with this burglary that happened right across 55 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:20,160 the street from the Peterson home. 56 00:02:22,460 --> 00:02:24,900 When the new evidence holds water and exonerates 57 00:02:24,900 --> 00:02:27,980 Scott completely, that's what I intend to find 58 00:02:27,980 --> 00:02:28,620 out. 59 00:02:44,950 --> 00:02:47,970 Investigators are now calling Lacey's disappearance a case 60 00:02:47,970 --> 00:02:48,910 of foul play. 61 00:02:49,490 --> 00:02:52,730 Lacey, who was eight months pregnant, vanished on 62 00:02:52,730 --> 00:02:54,850 Christmas Eve while walking her dog. 63 00:02:55,690 --> 00:02:58,670 This Modesto neighborhood has been searched by air 64 00:02:58,670 --> 00:03:00,250 and on horseback. 65 00:03:02,210 --> 00:03:03,590 This is the Peterson home. 66 00:03:06,910 --> 00:03:09,650 Directly across the street is the Medina house. 67 00:03:10,490 --> 00:03:13,250 The Medinas were the neighbors of Lacey and 68 00:03:13,250 --> 00:03:13,830 Scott Peterson. 69 00:03:15,390 --> 00:03:17,630 They went out of town for Christmas to 70 00:03:17,630 --> 00:03:20,450 Los Angeles to visit family on December 24th, 71 00:03:20,510 --> 00:03:22,770 the same day that Lacey Peterson went missing. 72 00:03:24,310 --> 00:03:26,950 When they returned home, they found that their 73 00:03:26,950 --> 00:03:27,700 home had been burglarized. 74 00:03:31,820 --> 00:03:34,120 His name is Stephen Wayne Todd. 75 00:03:34,620 --> 00:03:36,800 You see, Todd, along with his partner, are 76 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:39,040 accused of breaking into this home across from 77 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:39,800 the Petersons. 78 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:42,420 Around the time, Lacey was reported missing. 79 00:03:42,660 --> 00:03:44,600 It recovered quite a bit of property. 80 00:03:45,140 --> 00:03:47,360 They found a safe that had been stolen 81 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:49,940 from the home, and they ultimately made arrests. 82 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:52,880 We are confident they are the ones that 83 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:53,640 committed the burglary. 84 00:04:00,020 --> 00:04:02,420 It's not disputed that there was a burglary 85 00:04:02,420 --> 00:04:05,120 that occurred across the street from the Peterson 86 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:05,480 home. 87 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:09,220 The issue has been, when specifically did that 88 00:04:09,220 --> 00:04:10,080 burglary occur? 89 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:15,820 The Medinas left to go on vacation on 90 00:04:15,820 --> 00:04:20,220 December 24th, around 10.30 a.m. Clearly, 91 00:04:20,399 --> 00:04:23,740 at that point, Scott had already departed his 92 00:04:23,740 --> 00:04:24,140 home. 93 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:27,740 So, if Lacey in any way has any 94 00:04:27,740 --> 00:04:30,440 connection with the burglary that's going on at 95 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:33,500 the Medinas' house, she's alive, and Scott couldn't 96 00:04:33,500 --> 00:04:34,020 have killed her. 97 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:41,220 In the initial criminal complaint, the Modesto Police 98 00:04:41,220 --> 00:04:43,820 Department said that the burglary occurred at some 99 00:04:43,820 --> 00:04:47,180 point between December 24th and December 26th. 100 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:49,240 We do not believe that, at this time, 101 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:51,340 that there's any connection with the missing of 102 00:04:51,340 --> 00:04:51,560 Lacey. 103 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:58,360 The police justification for everything they did with 104 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:00,680 respect to the Medina burglary was that it 105 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:03,900 happened on December 26th, two days after Lacey 106 00:05:03,900 --> 00:05:05,080 Peterson went missing. 107 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:09,940 The burglary occurred between 0400 hours before a 108 00:05:09,940 --> 00:05:15,240 .m. and 0630 hours on the 26th, the 109 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:15,980 day after Christmas. 110 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:19,220 The problem with that story is the fact 111 00:05:19,220 --> 00:05:22,020 that when Lacey Peterson went missing, it immediately 112 00:05:22,020 --> 00:05:23,460 became huge news. 113 00:05:24,380 --> 00:05:27,820 There were television crews and television vans up 114 00:05:27,820 --> 00:05:29,460 and down the street by December 26th. 115 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:33,580 Now, during the burglary across the street at 116 00:05:33,580 --> 00:05:36,820 the Medinas' house, this large safe was hauled 117 00:05:36,820 --> 00:05:40,360 out of the house, onto the street, and 118 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:40,920 removed. 119 00:05:41,180 --> 00:05:45,560 So if you believe the Modesto Police characterization 120 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:49,500 of what happened, that the burglary was after 121 00:05:49,500 --> 00:05:53,120 she went missing, then these reporters just see 122 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:55,460 people hauling a safe out of a house 123 00:05:55,460 --> 00:05:57,720 across the street, and nobody noticed it. 124 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:02,220 I think what happened was the Modesto Police 125 00:06:02,220 --> 00:06:05,000 changed the date of the burglary, because it 126 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:07,760 certainly would have undercut their theory on Scott. 127 00:06:08,700 --> 00:06:11,460 Because if it had happened on the 24th, 128 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:13,780 it's the definition of reasonable doubt. 129 00:06:14,260 --> 00:06:16,260 The media siege goes on as police continue 130 00:06:16,260 --> 00:06:18,060 to search the home of the missing Lacey 131 00:06:18,060 --> 00:06:18,440 Peterson. 132 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:20,640 She went on her walk, and the neighbor 133 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:21,980 found the dog at 1030. 134 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:24,620 The Medina burglary became a thing. 135 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:28,060 The Los Angeles Innocence Project believes that the 136 00:06:28,060 --> 00:06:29,900 burglary of the Medina home happened on December 137 00:06:29,900 --> 00:06:31,820 24th, the same day that Lacey Peterson went 138 00:06:31,820 --> 00:06:32,100 missing. 139 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:37,480 In recent years, new witnesses have come forward 140 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:40,500 connecting Lacey's disappearance with the burglars in the 141 00:06:40,500 --> 00:06:41,160 airport district. 142 00:06:43,180 --> 00:06:46,260 The fact that the LAIP has found nine 143 00:06:46,260 --> 00:06:49,180 new witnesses, identified only by their initials to 144 00:06:49,180 --> 00:06:52,520 protect their identities, who connect Lacey Peterson's disappearance 145 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:55,520 to the burglars, only further reinforces the fact 146 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:57,760 that police should have been investigating the burglary 147 00:06:57,760 --> 00:06:59,580 as related to Lacey's disappearance. 148 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:03,920 It was very clear to most people discussing 149 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:05,300 it that it was an alternate theory. 150 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:06,920 And the only thing that the state could 151 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:08,980 say about it is it had nothing to 152 00:07:08,980 --> 00:07:10,440 do with the crime that happened on December 153 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:10,640 26th. 154 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:15,080 People came up with this idea that Lacey 155 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:16,740 was abducted by these burglars. 156 00:07:17,500 --> 00:07:19,540 And for those of us that did this 157 00:07:19,540 --> 00:07:21,320 for a living, I mean, it makes for 158 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:22,680 pretty good TV drama. 159 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:24,020 I mean, I could see putting it in 160 00:07:24,020 --> 00:07:24,760 a fiction show. 161 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:26,680 But in real life, it just seemed like 162 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:27,960 such an enormous stretch. 163 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:31,920 As a former LAPD detective, do you have 164 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:35,220 a problem with the idea of this being 165 00:07:35,220 --> 00:07:36,420 a random crime? 166 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:40,080 That there's no relationship between Lacey Peterson and 167 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:43,100 the burglars who burgled the Medina home? 168 00:07:43,900 --> 00:07:45,000 Coincidences happen. 169 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:48,040 But with that said, based on the proximity 170 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:50,220 where the Peterson property is and where the 171 00:07:50,220 --> 00:07:52,560 Medina property is, and the fact that you 172 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:55,940 have a woman that goes missing, to not 173 00:07:55,940 --> 00:07:59,620 consider that there might be a correlation, I 174 00:07:59,620 --> 00:08:02,360 feel is investigatively negligent. 175 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:05,000 As an investigator, you want to throw in 176 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:07,440 the biggest net possible, right? 177 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:08,880 And so this is part of the net. 178 00:08:10,380 --> 00:08:13,440 I believe that the reason why they were 179 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:17,400 dismissive or ignored the Medina burglary is that 180 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:21,620 they felt, at that time, reasonably sure that 181 00:08:21,620 --> 00:08:23,160 they already knew what had happened. 182 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:25,780 The confirmation bias and tunnel vision are so 183 00:08:25,780 --> 00:08:28,820 powerful that they essentially overwhelm people's beliefs. 184 00:08:31,700 --> 00:08:35,100 Almost immediately after Lacey Peterson's disappearance, two of 185 00:08:35,100 --> 00:08:37,820 her neighbors reported to police that they believed 186 00:08:37,820 --> 00:08:40,280 the day before, December 23rd, that their homes 187 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:41,559 were being cased by burglars. 188 00:08:44,820 --> 00:08:47,160 This home right here on the corner, just 189 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:49,300 a few houses down from the Petersons and 190 00:08:49,300 --> 00:08:52,520 the Medinas, the LAIP says that the owners, 191 00:08:52,680 --> 00:08:55,260 the Urquidas, said that they had a visitor 192 00:08:55,260 --> 00:08:57,260 knock on their door that evening with some 193 00:08:57,260 --> 00:08:58,900 story about a missing dog. 194 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:03,200 They didn't believe the story. 195 00:09:03,380 --> 00:09:04,720 They thought the man was suspicious. 196 00:09:05,180 --> 00:09:06,740 And there was another neighbor just down the 197 00:09:06,740 --> 00:09:09,160 street that also had the same kind of 198 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:09,460 visit. 199 00:09:11,460 --> 00:09:13,880 One of the two witnesses that reported to 200 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:15,840 police they believed their home was being cased 201 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:18,740 by burglars the day before Lacey's disappearance was, 202 00:09:18,900 --> 00:09:19,840 in fact, a judge. 203 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:22,860 Also on the stand today, Ricardo Cordova, a 204 00:09:22,860 --> 00:09:25,520 neighbor of the Petersons and currently a superior 205 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:26,440 court judge. 206 00:09:26,980 --> 00:09:29,160 Judges know how criminal justice works. 207 00:09:29,500 --> 00:09:31,220 They know the importance of making a report 208 00:09:31,220 --> 00:09:32,560 early in the process. 209 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:35,520 So I find it to be highly credible. 210 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:38,800 He testified that a suspicious person went door 211 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:41,180 to door in that neighborhood asking for money 212 00:09:41,180 --> 00:09:43,560 the night before Lacey Peterson disappeared. 213 00:09:44,540 --> 00:09:47,220 Maybe these are the same guys that ultimately 214 00:09:47,220 --> 00:09:49,140 chose the Medina home. 215 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:51,140 Maybe they're trying to figure out who's going 216 00:09:51,140 --> 00:09:52,940 to be around for the holidays, who's not. 217 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:57,240 There are no eyewitnesses that saw Lacey Peterson 218 00:09:57,240 --> 00:10:00,320 confront the burglars in front of the Medina 219 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:00,640 home. 220 00:10:01,220 --> 00:10:03,020 But we know that Lacey was a member 221 00:10:03,020 --> 00:10:04,020 of the neighborhood watch. 222 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:06,740 And she was known as being very vigilant. 223 00:10:07,680 --> 00:10:10,200 And Lacey was just the type that if 224 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:12,220 she saw something happening to her neighbor she 225 00:10:12,220 --> 00:10:15,020 would go to help without thinking of her 226 00:10:15,020 --> 00:10:15,720 own safety. 227 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:20,120 There were people that said if you knew 228 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:22,460 Lacey you would know that if there was 229 00:10:22,460 --> 00:10:25,400 somebody untoward in the neighborhood she would have 230 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:26,280 let them have it. 231 00:10:27,380 --> 00:10:29,820 But if the Medina home was burglarized the 232 00:10:29,820 --> 00:10:33,180 same day Lacey went missing what that means 233 00:10:33,180 --> 00:10:36,040 is there's an entirely plausible explanation for her 234 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:38,240 disappearance that has nothing to do with Scott 235 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:38,520 Peterson. 236 00:10:59,890 --> 00:11:01,130 I highly suggest you get out of the 237 00:11:01,130 --> 00:11:01,910 water, sir. 238 00:11:03,410 --> 00:11:04,070 You're being detained. 239 00:11:04,350 --> 00:11:05,090 He's in the water. 240 00:11:06,390 --> 00:11:07,330 Hands up, now! 241 00:11:08,370 --> 00:11:09,590 Watch your crossfire. 242 00:11:09,790 --> 00:11:10,310 Surrealist! 243 00:11:11,290 --> 00:11:14,010 Sorry you got wet, but fantastic job. 244 00:11:14,110 --> 00:11:15,890 Swamp Patrol, watch now. 245 00:11:16,390 --> 00:11:18,170 Part of Crime and Investigation on AandE. 246 00:11:31,130 --> 00:11:32,250 And you knew. 247 00:11:32,430 --> 00:11:33,010 I did not know. 248 00:11:33,130 --> 00:11:34,090 She knew what had happened. 249 00:11:34,270 --> 00:11:35,310 You're not denying it. 250 00:11:42,570 --> 00:11:43,370 Interrogation Raw. 251 00:11:43,550 --> 00:11:44,130 New episodes. 252 00:11:44,350 --> 00:11:44,930 Watch now. 253 00:11:45,070 --> 00:11:46,230 Part of Crime and Investigation. 254 00:11:46,430 --> 00:11:48,270 Only on AandE. 255 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:56,680 On the one hand you can't expect criminal 256 00:11:56,680 --> 00:12:00,940 investigators to constantly be connecting the dots between 257 00:12:00,940 --> 00:12:03,780 the various crimes and events that they're looking 258 00:12:03,780 --> 00:12:04,120 into. 259 00:12:04,660 --> 00:12:07,940 But there are eyewitnesses that put a van 260 00:12:07,940 --> 00:12:10,180 in front of the Medina's home on December 261 00:12:10,180 --> 00:12:13,060 24th which was the same day the Los 262 00:12:13,060 --> 00:12:15,840 Angeles Innocence Project believes that the burglary happened. 263 00:12:17,500 --> 00:12:20,560 The Los Angeles Innocence Project is arguing that 264 00:12:20,560 --> 00:12:23,940 there is more than enough circumstantial evidence to 265 00:12:23,940 --> 00:12:27,240 suggest that the van was related to Lacey 266 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:28,160 Peterson's disappearance. 267 00:12:29,180 --> 00:12:38,590 In the prosecution's case, Scott Peterson premeditated 268 00:12:38,590 --> 00:12:40,950 this perfect murder of his wife. 269 00:12:41,430 --> 00:12:43,810 The other timeline is that on December 24th, 270 00:12:43,810 --> 00:12:46,690 men in a van burglarized the home across 271 00:12:46,690 --> 00:12:48,150 the street from Lacey Peterson. 272 00:12:48,810 --> 00:12:51,950 That she confronted those men and they somehow 273 00:12:51,950 --> 00:12:53,790 took possession of her. 274 00:12:56,010 --> 00:12:58,790 And that they are responsible not only for 275 00:12:58,790 --> 00:13:00,290 her disappearance but for her death. 276 00:13:01,670 --> 00:13:04,590 Both of those stories are sort of wild. 277 00:13:05,290 --> 00:13:08,430 And yet the reality of murder is that 278 00:13:08,430 --> 00:13:09,530 it's often that way. 279 00:13:11,390 --> 00:13:14,090 And that alternate timeline aligns with seven witnesses 280 00:13:14,090 --> 00:13:15,930 who saw the suspicious van. 281 00:13:16,270 --> 00:13:18,770 Witnesses who came forward in the days and 282 00:13:18,770 --> 00:13:21,210 weeks after Lacey Peterson's disappearance. 283 00:13:21,930 --> 00:13:23,730 The fact that the van sightings were not 284 00:13:23,730 --> 00:13:26,390 investigated by the Modesto police does not mean 285 00:13:26,390 --> 00:13:28,110 that they're therefore immaterial. 286 00:13:29,090 --> 00:13:31,310 The conversation that we had with Dr. Wicks 287 00:13:31,310 --> 00:13:34,310 was fascinating because he pointed out that the 288 00:13:34,310 --> 00:13:36,570 time when a witness statement is most reliable 289 00:13:36,570 --> 00:13:39,370 is in the days or weeks immediately following 290 00:13:39,370 --> 00:13:41,270 the event that they witnessed. 291 00:13:41,670 --> 00:13:44,830 During the Peterson investigation, there are multiple witnesses 292 00:13:44,830 --> 00:13:47,970 talking about an unusual van on the morning 293 00:13:47,970 --> 00:13:48,670 of the crime. 294 00:13:49,290 --> 00:13:50,570 We've got Kristen Denfenwolf. 295 00:13:51,030 --> 00:13:54,230 She makes a statement about seeing a van 296 00:13:54,230 --> 00:13:56,990 in front of the Medina home directly across 297 00:13:56,990 --> 00:13:57,470 the street. 298 00:13:57,470 --> 00:14:00,770 And then you have Diane Jackson describing the 299 00:14:00,770 --> 00:14:03,530 van at the house across the street from 300 00:14:03,530 --> 00:14:07,190 Lacey's with three guys that made her uncomfortable 301 00:14:07,190 --> 00:14:09,910 because they weirdly stared at her as she 302 00:14:09,910 --> 00:14:10,530 drove by. 303 00:14:12,860 --> 00:14:15,900 And then we've got Homer Maldonado. 304 00:14:25,270 --> 00:14:27,690 We've got Tom Harshman. 305 00:14:28,650 --> 00:14:31,550 Tom Harshman spotted a woman matching Lacey's description 306 00:14:31,550 --> 00:14:33,830 on Scenic Drive, roughly three and a half 307 00:14:33,830 --> 00:14:34,670 miles from her home. 308 00:14:35,970 --> 00:14:37,490 This one's interesting to me. 309 00:14:37,730 --> 00:14:40,470 He describes a pregnant woman who appeared to 310 00:14:40,470 --> 00:14:43,310 be in distress being pushed into a van 311 00:14:43,310 --> 00:14:45,710 by a homeless-looking person, and there was 312 00:14:45,710 --> 00:14:47,690 another man on the van who, like, pulled 313 00:14:47,690 --> 00:14:48,030 her in. 314 00:14:51,090 --> 00:14:53,110 No one's ever been able to really nail 315 00:14:53,110 --> 00:14:55,510 down what the color of the van was. 316 00:14:56,070 --> 00:14:58,610 Diane Jackson says it's a white van. 317 00:14:58,830 --> 00:15:00,050 Description of the van varies. 318 00:15:00,170 --> 00:15:01,770 Sometimes it's white, sometimes it's beige. 319 00:15:01,930 --> 00:15:03,370 That's not that surprising to me. 320 00:15:03,490 --> 00:15:05,150 The van itself isn't what you're going to 321 00:15:05,150 --> 00:15:07,150 stare at, you know, especially if there's guys 322 00:15:07,150 --> 00:15:07,510 around. 323 00:15:07,650 --> 00:15:09,950 But its existence, that it is a van, 324 00:15:09,990 --> 00:15:11,510 and what's it doing there, I wouldn't expect 325 00:15:11,510 --> 00:15:12,070 it to be there. 326 00:15:12,450 --> 00:15:14,070 And then when you have multiple pieces of 327 00:15:14,070 --> 00:15:17,890 information overlapping in key features repeatedly, it's like 328 00:15:17,890 --> 00:15:21,110 I can't see why that isn't telling a 329 00:15:21,110 --> 00:15:23,690 story that you think might be true. 330 00:15:25,770 --> 00:15:27,410 Independent eyewitness accounts. 331 00:15:28,210 --> 00:15:29,990 It's not crazy to think that there's a 332 00:15:29,990 --> 00:15:31,930 van in this story of what happened to 333 00:15:31,930 --> 00:15:32,150 Lacey. 334 00:15:33,650 --> 00:15:36,530 But Diane Jackson is maybe the only witness 335 00:15:36,530 --> 00:15:39,530 that had repeated follow-up in a very 336 00:15:39,530 --> 00:15:41,430 short period of time with the police. 337 00:15:41,810 --> 00:15:44,430 She calls in her report within a matter 338 00:15:44,430 --> 00:15:48,010 of two or three days, and then several 339 00:15:48,010 --> 00:15:50,670 weeks later, she's asked to come down to 340 00:15:50,670 --> 00:15:54,010 the police station and undergo hypnosis. 341 00:15:55,510 --> 00:15:58,730 The hypnosis was undertaken by someone who didn't 342 00:15:58,730 --> 00:16:03,210 have the credentials to do police hypnosis, and 343 00:16:03,210 --> 00:16:06,590 her testimony was rendered inadmissible at trial. 344 00:16:08,670 --> 00:16:11,750 In my 25 years in law enforcement, never 345 00:16:11,750 --> 00:16:17,370 have I ever considered using hypnosis, nor have 346 00:16:17,370 --> 00:16:20,550 I ever heard of a colleague using hypnosis. 347 00:16:21,250 --> 00:16:24,670 There are so many problems with hypnosis in 348 00:16:24,670 --> 00:16:26,990 general in terms of trial. 349 00:16:27,750 --> 00:16:30,950 What the LAIP is focusing on is the 350 00:16:30,950 --> 00:16:33,930 impropriety of the hypnosis and the impact that 351 00:16:33,930 --> 00:16:36,050 that had ultimately on the evidence that the 352 00:16:36,050 --> 00:16:36,510 jury heard. 353 00:16:37,590 --> 00:16:41,370 Once you have put somebody under hypnosis, they're 354 00:16:41,370 --> 00:16:42,930 done as a witness in California. 355 00:16:43,730 --> 00:16:48,770 Modesto PD committed the bonehead move of apparently 356 00:16:48,770 --> 00:16:50,570 not reading the evidence code. 357 00:16:50,570 --> 00:16:53,950 You cannot hypnotize witnesses in the state of 358 00:16:53,950 --> 00:16:54,610 California. 359 00:16:54,970 --> 00:16:56,770 It was astonishing to me. 360 00:16:57,870 --> 00:16:59,990 It's a reflection of how the legal system 361 00:16:59,990 --> 00:17:00,250 thinks. 362 00:17:00,390 --> 00:17:02,370 If it's been tainted by hypnosis, they think, 363 00:17:02,470 --> 00:17:03,670 oh, no, you can't testify. 364 00:17:03,890 --> 00:17:05,490 And I'm going, what the hell? 365 00:17:05,970 --> 00:17:07,910 She gave reports from memory before she was 366 00:17:07,910 --> 00:17:09,730 hypnotized, and that's where the truth is. 367 00:17:10,410 --> 00:17:13,410 Eyewitness memory is considerably more reliable early on, 368 00:17:13,490 --> 00:17:15,069 shortly after the memories are formed. 369 00:17:15,349 --> 00:17:18,349 Definitely gets decreasing reliable over time. 370 00:17:18,349 --> 00:17:20,609 And so whether or not she's hypnotized, her 371 00:17:20,609 --> 00:17:21,829 memory's going to be different at the time 372 00:17:21,829 --> 00:17:22,150 of trial. 373 00:17:22,170 --> 00:17:23,770 Don't listen to her memory at that time. 374 00:17:24,069 --> 00:17:25,849 Just have that witness testify. 375 00:17:26,089 --> 00:17:27,530 Did you say that early on? 376 00:17:27,650 --> 00:17:28,610 Yes, I said that. 377 00:17:28,770 --> 00:17:29,390 There you go. 378 00:17:29,490 --> 00:17:30,130 That's reliable. 379 00:17:30,370 --> 00:17:33,050 You have to conform your practices to the 380 00:17:33,050 --> 00:17:35,490 way memory was designed to work, not the 381 00:17:35,490 --> 00:17:37,210 way you want it to work. 382 00:17:37,270 --> 00:17:39,650 And not the timing of trials that come 383 00:17:39,650 --> 00:17:40,470 along years later. 384 00:17:42,770 --> 00:17:45,650 If you have anyone that has seen a 385 00:17:45,650 --> 00:17:48,930 pregnant woman being put into a van, you 386 00:17:48,930 --> 00:17:49,970 got to put that witness on. 387 00:17:50,590 --> 00:17:53,330 Even if we're dealing with some inconsistencies, even 388 00:17:53,330 --> 00:17:55,210 if people, you know, don't remember the right 389 00:17:55,210 --> 00:17:57,330 color, this or that, we have more than 390 00:17:57,330 --> 00:17:59,510 enough people that are saying they saw this 391 00:17:59,510 --> 00:18:00,610 van within the neighborhood. 392 00:18:01,050 --> 00:18:03,690 There's certainly merit to these claims. 393 00:18:05,530 --> 00:18:07,490 There were so many witnesses that saw this 394 00:18:07,490 --> 00:18:07,770 van. 395 00:18:08,090 --> 00:18:09,390 Why weren't they taken seriously? 396 00:18:09,690 --> 00:18:11,410 And why weren't they called to testify? 397 00:18:12,890 --> 00:18:14,590 This is one of the big mysteries in 398 00:18:14,590 --> 00:18:14,990 the case. 399 00:18:14,990 --> 00:18:17,250 And there's no clear answer why these witnesses 400 00:18:17,250 --> 00:18:18,050 were never called. 401 00:18:18,910 --> 00:18:20,590 Did the defense, for some reason, believe they 402 00:18:20,590 --> 00:18:21,190 weren't credible? 403 00:18:21,610 --> 00:18:23,550 Was the defense drowning the discovery and not 404 00:18:23,550 --> 00:18:24,150 aware of them? 405 00:18:24,590 --> 00:18:26,870 Or did Scott Peterson's attorneys believe they had 406 00:18:26,870 --> 00:18:29,430 already made their case and these witnesses simply 407 00:18:29,430 --> 00:18:30,330 were not necessary? 408 00:18:40,250 --> 00:18:42,270 Hi, I'm trying to reach Diana Campos. 409 00:18:42,630 --> 00:18:44,730 Your call has been forwarded to an automated 410 00:18:44,730 --> 00:18:45,390 voice message. 411 00:18:47,230 --> 00:18:48,550 Hi, I'm trying to leave a message. 412 00:18:48,810 --> 00:18:49,790 This is Chris Pixley. 413 00:18:50,270 --> 00:18:51,730 I am a legal analyst. 414 00:18:51,890 --> 00:18:53,930 At the time of the Peterson case, I 415 00:18:53,930 --> 00:18:58,170 was waiting patiently for you and other eyewitnesses 416 00:18:58,170 --> 00:19:00,130 to have an opportunity to testify. 417 00:19:00,410 --> 00:19:02,450 Your call has been forwarded to voicemail. 418 00:19:03,070 --> 00:19:05,730 I would really love the opportunity to talk 419 00:19:05,730 --> 00:19:06,090 to you. 420 00:19:06,310 --> 00:19:07,930 Give me a call back at this number. 421 00:19:08,510 --> 00:19:09,810 You can call anytime. 422 00:19:10,190 --> 00:19:10,670 Thank you. 423 00:19:12,290 --> 00:19:14,550 Witnesses report seeing a white van in front 424 00:19:14,550 --> 00:19:16,050 of this home on the morning of Christmas 425 00:19:16,050 --> 00:19:16,490 Eve. 426 00:19:16,810 --> 00:19:19,450 The journalists were all attacking the people who 427 00:19:19,450 --> 00:19:21,230 had eyewitness sightings at the time. 428 00:19:21,230 --> 00:19:23,890 That speaks to the power of the narrative 429 00:19:23,890 --> 00:19:26,210 that the police were putting out very early 430 00:19:26,210 --> 00:19:26,550 on. 431 00:19:26,950 --> 00:19:31,270 The bias against any other alternate theory started 432 00:19:31,270 --> 00:19:32,210 really early on. 433 00:19:35,860 --> 00:19:38,080 Hi, this is Chris Pixley calling. 434 00:19:38,140 --> 00:19:39,780 I'm trying to reach Diane Jackson. 435 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:43,080 Can you tell me really what you remember 436 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:45,440 seeing outside the Medina home? 437 00:19:54,940 --> 00:20:01,260 And, um, saw this van and two or 438 00:20:01,260 --> 00:20:02,820 three people out there. 439 00:20:03,360 --> 00:20:07,380 And I noticed it only because they noticed 440 00:20:07,380 --> 00:20:07,920 me. 441 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:10,500 And I thought, those are not yard workers. 442 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:14,680 I mean, yard workers don't turn up their 443 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:19,860 heads and look at you when you're doing 444 00:20:19,860 --> 00:20:20,760 your yard work. 445 00:20:21,020 --> 00:20:22,660 What the hell's going on here? 446 00:20:24,820 --> 00:20:27,520 So I told the police what I knew. 447 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:31,940 There's something that's going on across the street 448 00:20:31,940 --> 00:20:35,840 from her house at the same time that 449 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:37,820 she reportedly died. 450 00:20:38,260 --> 00:20:39,780 And you didn't think it's a coincidence? 451 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:43,180 No, I don't think it's a coincidence. 452 00:20:45,060 --> 00:20:48,460 How can you have two major crimes across 453 00:20:48,460 --> 00:20:49,700 the street from each other? 454 00:20:49,700 --> 00:20:55,080 Do you remember the police asking you to 455 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:57,220 come in to be hypnotized? 456 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:15,000 What did they do to hypnotize you? 457 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:15,820 Do you recall that? 458 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:17,260 No. 459 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:20,400 Do you remember what kind of questions maybe 460 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:21,000 they asked you? 461 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:27,100 And you're aware at some point later that 462 00:21:27,100 --> 00:21:30,360 the court looked at that alleged hypnosis and 463 00:21:30,360 --> 00:21:32,920 said, this hypnosis wasn't conducted by someone who 464 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:33,980 was qualified to do it. 465 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:35,900 You seem to be saying you don't, you 466 00:21:35,900 --> 00:21:37,180 didn't feel like you were hypnotized. 467 00:21:48,890 --> 00:21:52,750 Do you realize how bad this has been? 468 00:21:54,390 --> 00:21:58,170 All my friends in Modesto were, oh my 469 00:21:58,170 --> 00:21:59,430 god, he's a monster. 470 00:22:02,460 --> 00:22:04,900 Like I was trying to get him off. 471 00:22:06,500 --> 00:22:09,600 And I wasn't, I was just telling the 472 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:10,120 truth. 473 00:22:11,460 --> 00:22:13,120 I understand, I do. 474 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:14,960 Thank you, thank you. 475 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:19,940 He did not do this, and I don't 476 00:22:19,940 --> 00:22:20,600 even know him. 477 00:22:20,820 --> 00:22:22,320 I never met either of them. 478 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:26,120 But this is crazy to think he did 479 00:22:26,120 --> 00:22:29,880 it when that was going on across the 480 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:34,560 street at 11 something in the morning on 481 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:35,340 Crystal Street. 482 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:38,420 We just want to get to the truth 483 00:22:38,420 --> 00:22:39,800 and we want to do what's right. 484 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:45,740 And we're not convinced with all of the 485 00:22:45,740 --> 00:22:50,340 eyewitnesses like yourself that justice was necessarily done. 486 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:52,840 So thank you so much for taking my 487 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:54,560 call, and I'm grateful for it. 488 00:22:55,260 --> 00:22:56,360 You're welcome. 489 00:22:57,520 --> 00:22:57,920 Bye now. 490 00:22:57,940 --> 00:22:58,420 All right. 491 00:23:00,540 --> 00:23:03,340 I didn't expect her to say half of 492 00:23:03,340 --> 00:23:03,580 that. 493 00:23:04,180 --> 00:23:08,800 I didn't know how convinced she was that 494 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:10,920 you do not have a burglary across the 495 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:12,480 street from the Peterson home on the same 496 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:14,800 day that Lacey Peterson goes missing without the 497 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:15,900 two of them being related. 498 00:23:16,820 --> 00:23:20,160 If she's saying that over 20 years later, 499 00:23:20,340 --> 00:23:22,340 then she was saying that to the police 500 00:23:22,340 --> 00:23:22,940 at the time. 501 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:25,420 And the thing that makes me very uncomfortable 502 00:23:25,420 --> 00:23:27,840 about that is it suggests to me that 503 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:30,380 the police knew that she would blow up 504 00:23:30,380 --> 00:23:32,580 or certainly do great damage to the theory 505 00:23:32,580 --> 00:23:36,860 that Scott Peterson was responsible for Lacey's disappearance 506 00:23:36,860 --> 00:23:37,380 and death. 507 00:23:39,230 --> 00:23:42,190 You have to wonder whether police took the 508 00:23:42,190 --> 00:23:45,890 step of hypnotizing Diane Jackson because they wanted 509 00:23:45,890 --> 00:23:49,110 to render her testimony inadmissible. 510 00:23:50,790 --> 00:23:53,050 It, I think, sheds a lot of light 511 00:23:53,050 --> 00:23:56,050 on reasonable doubt that could be put before 512 00:23:56,050 --> 00:23:57,950 the jury to show them, hey, this wasn't 513 00:23:57,950 --> 00:23:58,310 Scott. 514 00:23:58,990 --> 00:24:01,990 The defense was never told that a van 515 00:24:01,990 --> 00:24:04,890 was in fact found, and the van they 516 00:24:04,890 --> 00:24:06,390 found had been set on fire. 517 00:24:38,370 --> 00:24:39,870 Watch now. 518 00:24:49,790 --> 00:24:52,710 The day after Lacey Peterson's disappearance, Christmas Day, 519 00:24:52,850 --> 00:24:57,910 2002, a van is found by police burning 520 00:24:57,910 --> 00:25:00,430 in an alleyway in the airport district a 521 00:25:00,430 --> 00:25:01,810 mile and a half from the Peterson home. 522 00:25:03,150 --> 00:25:07,130 That van was not the subject of any 523 00:25:07,130 --> 00:25:09,850 discussion related to the Peterson case at the 524 00:25:09,850 --> 00:25:10,250 time. 525 00:25:11,490 --> 00:25:14,730 Subsequently, the evidence that's come out about the 526 00:25:14,730 --> 00:25:18,210 van fire and its potential relationship to the 527 00:25:18,210 --> 00:25:21,110 Medina burglary and to the Peterson home is 528 00:25:21,110 --> 00:25:21,890 alarming. 529 00:25:27,780 --> 00:25:30,600 It raises a lot of questions about who 530 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:32,420 abducted and killed Lacey. 531 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:35,840 Fire investigators arrived in the airport district, and 532 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:37,000 it was clear from the jump that it 533 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:37,460 was arson. 534 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:40,820 This van, it clearly had been burned to 535 00:25:40,820 --> 00:25:42,300 conceal some kind of evidence. 536 00:25:42,300 --> 00:25:46,780 That van fire was investigated, and ultimately that 537 00:25:46,780 --> 00:25:50,660 investigation was closed without connecting it in any 538 00:25:50,660 --> 00:25:52,660 way to the Peterson case. 539 00:25:56,970 --> 00:25:59,950 That is a huge coincidence, that there was 540 00:25:59,950 --> 00:26:02,210 a burglary that occurred across the street, that 541 00:26:02,210 --> 00:26:04,370 this van potentially is tied to the burglary 542 00:26:04,370 --> 00:26:06,890 that's found burning not too far from the 543 00:26:06,890 --> 00:26:07,690 Petersons' home. 544 00:26:08,390 --> 00:26:11,710 Modesta Fire Investigator Brian Spitalski investigated the van 545 00:26:11,710 --> 00:26:15,450 fire the morning after Lacey Peterson's disappearance, and 546 00:26:15,450 --> 00:26:17,210 he connected the two. 547 00:26:17,530 --> 00:26:20,650 This was much more important than just a 548 00:26:20,650 --> 00:26:22,870 burned vehicle that somebody was just wanting to 549 00:26:22,870 --> 00:26:23,390 get rid of. 550 00:26:24,730 --> 00:26:31,110 The investigators responsible for Lacey's disappearance decided not 551 00:26:31,110 --> 00:26:32,050 to make the connection. 552 00:26:32,990 --> 00:26:34,850 It kind of sits in the back of 553 00:26:34,850 --> 00:26:36,490 your head and kind of bugs you a 554 00:26:36,490 --> 00:26:38,130 little bit, and you kind of wonder why 555 00:26:38,130 --> 00:26:40,330 this didn't happen or why it wasn't brought 556 00:26:40,330 --> 00:26:40,610 up. 557 00:26:43,410 --> 00:26:46,470 The Los Angeles Innocence Project is arguing that 558 00:26:46,470 --> 00:26:48,910 the van fire should have been viewed as 559 00:26:48,910 --> 00:26:52,690 being potentially related to Lacey Peterson's disappearance, that 560 00:26:52,690 --> 00:26:54,830 it should have been viewed as being related 561 00:26:54,830 --> 00:26:58,170 or potentially related to the Medina burglary, and 562 00:26:58,170 --> 00:27:00,310 that the van fire, along with the Medina 563 00:27:00,310 --> 00:27:03,630 burglary, should have been investigated as part of 564 00:27:03,630 --> 00:27:06,630 Lacey Peterson's missing person case, but was not. 565 00:27:07,770 --> 00:27:09,090 I wanted to take us to the airport 566 00:27:09,090 --> 00:27:13,230 district now, specifically to Thrasher Avenue, where the 567 00:27:13,230 --> 00:27:14,450 van was found a mile and a half 568 00:27:14,450 --> 00:27:15,670 away from the Petersons' home. 569 00:27:16,450 --> 00:27:19,330 You know, although Modesto sort of has the 570 00:27:19,330 --> 00:27:21,570 image of being kind of a sleepy town, 571 00:27:22,010 --> 00:27:24,330 the airport district, it comes across as a 572 00:27:24,330 --> 00:27:27,790 very rough neighborhood, based on everything that I've 573 00:27:27,790 --> 00:27:30,930 read about the airport district, and the crime 574 00:27:30,930 --> 00:27:33,670 problem seems very consistent with that. 575 00:27:34,330 --> 00:27:37,450 Does it raise any concerns for you, given 576 00:27:37,450 --> 00:27:40,150 the proximity to the Peterson home? 577 00:27:40,630 --> 00:27:42,350 It does seem to me that a Peterson 578 00:27:42,350 --> 00:27:45,610 neighborhood is a vulnerable place because of its 579 00:27:45,610 --> 00:27:47,290 proximity to the airport district. 580 00:27:48,310 --> 00:27:52,610 This is the alleyway where the van was 581 00:27:52,610 --> 00:27:55,550 found on fire on December 25th. 582 00:27:57,650 --> 00:27:59,690 You know, I'm familiar with some rough neighborhoods, 583 00:27:59,970 --> 00:28:02,470 and I gotta say, it does seem unusual 584 00:28:02,470 --> 00:28:07,410 to me that you have a van set 585 00:28:07,410 --> 00:28:07,950 on fire. 586 00:28:08,030 --> 00:28:09,270 Intentionally set on fire. 587 00:28:09,810 --> 00:28:11,190 Intentionally, you know, it's an arson. 588 00:28:11,410 --> 00:28:13,650 I mean, even in Los Angeles, van fires 589 00:28:13,650 --> 00:28:16,610 are not necessarily a daily occurrence. 590 00:28:17,070 --> 00:28:19,430 And then you add in the Peterson case. 591 00:28:20,110 --> 00:28:24,590 To not explore this as an investigative possible 592 00:28:24,590 --> 00:28:27,330 lead is a little strange to me as 593 00:28:27,330 --> 00:28:28,150 an investigator. 594 00:28:31,050 --> 00:28:32,870 This was for me one of the strongest 595 00:28:32,870 --> 00:28:35,930 pieces because this is the area where I'm 596 00:28:35,930 --> 00:28:38,290 starting to see, like, the police and the 597 00:28:38,290 --> 00:28:39,770 prosecution start to play games. 598 00:28:40,470 --> 00:28:42,990 There has certainly been information that the Innocence 599 00:28:42,990 --> 00:28:45,150 Project says corroborates that there was a van 600 00:28:45,150 --> 00:28:47,910 in that immediate area, and you had witnesses 601 00:28:47,910 --> 00:28:51,030 who had described seeing a van, a van 602 00:28:51,030 --> 00:28:51,990 that stood out. 603 00:28:52,450 --> 00:28:54,870 You got a current reserve police officer saying 604 00:28:54,870 --> 00:28:56,350 he saw her put in the van. 605 00:28:56,350 --> 00:28:58,770 One of the most disturbing witness statements in 606 00:28:58,770 --> 00:29:00,950 the entire case was given by Tom Harshman. 607 00:29:01,490 --> 00:29:04,530 It is galling to think that there is 608 00:29:04,530 --> 00:29:08,190 an eyewitness who is credible, a reserve police 609 00:29:08,190 --> 00:29:12,190 officer, who saw a pregnant woman being shoved 610 00:29:12,190 --> 00:29:15,470 into the back of a dated van, and 611 00:29:15,470 --> 00:29:18,630 it somehow didn't make its way into the 612 00:29:18,630 --> 00:29:21,330 investigation, didn't receive any follow-up by the 613 00:29:21,330 --> 00:29:21,690 police. 614 00:29:22,330 --> 00:29:24,510 And it's reported at a time where she's 615 00:29:24,510 --> 00:29:25,390 still a missing person. 616 00:29:26,570 --> 00:29:28,970 The failure to follow up on leads like 617 00:29:28,970 --> 00:29:32,770 Tom Harshman's further undermines the credibility of the 618 00:29:32,770 --> 00:29:35,970 police investigation of Lacey Peterson's disappearance. 619 00:29:36,850 --> 00:29:37,950 One of the things that needs to be 620 00:29:37,950 --> 00:29:40,530 pointed out is that the defense never received 621 00:29:40,530 --> 00:29:42,610 any information about the van fire on December 622 00:29:42,610 --> 00:29:43,170 25th. 623 00:29:43,850 --> 00:29:46,270 That came out only years after Scott was 624 00:29:46,270 --> 00:29:46,730 convicted. 625 00:29:47,430 --> 00:29:49,430 Can you imagine if we had found out 626 00:29:49,430 --> 00:29:51,870 that the van had been burnt, the van 627 00:29:51,870 --> 00:29:52,590 we were looking for? 628 00:29:52,590 --> 00:29:54,030 Go back and just take a look at 629 00:29:54,030 --> 00:29:55,570 how many times I talked about the van 630 00:29:55,570 --> 00:29:56,210 on the record. 631 00:29:56,830 --> 00:29:58,970 Peterson's defense team has said the van was...